Chiller Doubt

Hardware settings, adjustments and fixes and other hardware discussion. This includes the "doHICky" Laser Power measurement system by Russ.
Fernando Moreira
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Doug Fisher wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 FWIW, I set mine either 17/18 or 18/19 (not at the laser, so I can't confirm). Maybe it is a bit of overkill but the chiller has no problem keeping it in that range and I want one less variable affecting my cutting power.
Thank you for your reply.
The questions is that as far as I can see, I can't set my chiller lower than 20 on the "allowed highest water temperature" (I will ask S&A if that is normal...)
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Tim Mellor
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Fernando Moreira wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020
Doug Fisher wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 FWIW, I set mine either 17/18 or 18/19 (not at the laser, so I can't confirm). Maybe it is a bit of overkill but the chiller has no problem keeping it in that range and I want one less variable affecting my cutting power.
Thank you for your reply.
The questions is that as far as I can see, I can't set my chiller lower than 20 on the "allowed highest water temperature" (I will ask S&A if that is normal...)
Depending on the controller programming you might find there is two upper set points. Fairly normal is you have a set point of say 15C and a Hysteresis (allowed variation) of 1-2C and then an alarm setting of 20C as an example. That is the Chiller will try and maintain 15+-1-2C and will alarm at 20C.

The other option is there will be three set points, a lower one, an upper one and an alarm one. I haven't run across this with the cheaper chinese temperature controllers but it is fairly normal on industrial ones.

I don't have a manual for the module but from the basic manual I downloaded a week ago for my CAD project it talks about E2 as an over temperature alarm so there must be a set point for it.
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Fernando Moreira
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RDWorks Version: 8.01.10
Ruida Controller: RDC6442
Windows Version: 10
Accessories: S&A CW-5200 Chiller

Thank You for your help.
Don't ask how, but for some reason I was not sawing the most obvious parameter, the " Temperature Setting".

So, I have adjust the chiller for:

- Temperature Setting: 19C
- The allowed highest water temperature: 20
- The allowed lowest water temperatute: 18
- Alarm for ultrahigh water temperature: 23

Do you believe that this is a good setting, or shoul I set an even smaller range?
Doug Fisher
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I think your settings are fine.

FWIW, here is one of the threads with a reply by David Sheldrake who is a laser guru:
https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php ... 58dd31a55d
Fernando Moreira
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Accessories: S&A CW-5200 Chiller

Thank you very much.

Since I have an extra temperature sensor, what you think about using it to check the temperature on the tube, putting the sensor right on the tube with some tape?
I am also thinking on put an analog amp meter to check the tube current, since I dont have none info from the manufactor, is there any other way to know whats the amp limit for my tube?
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Gene Uselman
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I think you are overthinking it :twisted:. The analog mA meter is a very good thing tho. There are charts that give the approx max current depending upon the length of the tube. Does your tube have a brand associated with it?
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Tim Mellor
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Fernando Moreira wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 Thank you very much.

Since I have an extra temperature sensor, what you think about using it to check the temperature on the tube, putting the sensor right on the tube with some tape?
I am also thinking on put an analog amp meter to check the tube current, since I dont have none info from the manufactor, is there any other way to know whats the amp limit for my tube?
Getting any sort of accurate reading from the Glass Surface is a bad choice because of the material. You really need to have the sensor in the flow of water. Generally some sort of T Piece with the sensor in one of the ports.

As I have been drawing up the Laser system I have been having a thing about Flowmeters and Temperature sensors for the cooling loop.

A quick and dirty Panel mount Temperature sensor is here https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Digital-The ... Swy~BaFkDX

Or a bit more Evilbay searching led me to this combination device https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Digital-Flo ... 2316958861 The description is fairly mashed English but it would suit Laser usage fairly well.

What they also sell is just the sensor end https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/G1-2-Brass- ... 3471674405 and is of more interest to me to tinker with. As a project run an Arduino Nano and a simple two line display and some simple code to just display current Temp and Flow.
Fernando Moreira
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RDWorks Version: 8.01.10
Ruida Controller: RDC6442
Windows Version: 10
Accessories: S&A CW-5200 Chiller

ok, thank you.
Maybe one day I will go for the arduino project too, with some audio and visual alarms... just a thought...
Fernando Moreira
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Laser Machine Make or Type: Red & Black Chinese
Laser Power: 100W
Laser Bed Size: 700*500
Home Position: TR
RDWorks Version: 8.01.10
Ruida Controller: RDC6442
Windows Version: 10
Accessories: S&A CW-5200 Chiller

Gene Uselman wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020
I Does your tube have a brand associated with it?

Thank you.
No, as far as I can see the tube has no brad. I will try to contact the seller...
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