Metal Cutting on CO2 Laser... am I mad?
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Russell Collins
- Posts: 14
- Joined: Wed May 19, 2021
- Location: Byron Bay
- Country: Australia
- Laser Machine Make or Type: CO2 Yongli with Ruida RDC6332M controller
- Laser Power: 300w
- Laser Bed Size: 1500 x 3000mm
- Home Position: TL
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDLC-V6.70.06
- Ruida Controller: Other
- Windows Version: Mac
I design clean combustion heaters and cookstoves for Indian usage generally (although now looking to make some local products here in Australia) and all our production in India happens on industrial lasers. I decided to improve the prototype to production pathway by getting myself a large bed laser (1500 x 3000mm) with a Metal Non-metal hybrid setup. It has a 300w CO2 YongLing Laser and the Ruida 6332M controller with Live Focus. So far so good... kinda. Learning curve is steep, so I'm here to learn from those who have paved the way ahead of me. Happy to share successes and learn from those with more experience than myself.
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Pete Cyr
- Posts: 1964
- Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2016
- Location: Suffolk Virginia
- Country: United States
- Laser Machine Make or Type: Boss 1630
- Laser Power: 100w
- Laser Bed Size: 16"x30"
- Home Position: TR
- Control Software: RDWORKS
- RDWorks Version: v8.01.18
- Ruida Controller: RDC6442
- Windows Version: Win 10
- Accessories: roller rotary attachment
Welcome Russell - be sure to back up your vendor settings - they are easily lost and difficult to recover.
You are not mad. You have a goal and seems you are on the right path to meet your goal.
You are not mad. You have a goal and seems you are on the right path to meet your goal.
Location - VA
Equipment - Boss Laser 1630
Power - 100W
Laser Bed Size - 16" x 30"
Home Position - TR
Full RDWorks Version - v8.01.18
First name - Pete
Equipment - Boss Laser 1630
Power - 100W
Laser Bed Size - 16" x 30"
Home Position - TR
Full RDWorks Version - v8.01.18
First name - Pete
- Gene Uselman
- Posts: 2181
- Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016
- Location: Suburban Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
- Country: USA
- Nickname: Gene
- Laser Machine Make or Type: QC
- Laser Power: 130W
- Laser Bed Size: 900x1300
- Home Position: TR
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDw .19 & Lightburn
- LightBurn Version: Latest
- Ruida Controller: RDC6442
- Windows Version: Win 10 Pro
- Accessories: I have a combining lenses, pin tables [homebuilt], honeycomb tables , wireless remote, Modifed Ultimate Air Assist, home built non-powered rotary device, PrusaMK4 and Mini Prusa printers.
I am very interested in metal cutting with a CO2 laser and would love to see a conversation on the forum about them- we occasionally gain a member with this equipment but seems that as soon as they get them operational they move on with their lives. We have a lot of CO2 knowledge and may be of some help. Gene
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Russell Collins
- Posts: 14
- Joined: Wed May 19, 2021
- Location: Byron Bay
- Country: Australia
- Laser Machine Make or Type: CO2 Yongli with Ruida RDC6332M controller
- Laser Power: 300w
- Laser Bed Size: 1500 x 3000mm
- Home Position: TL
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDLC-V6.70.06
- Ruida Controller: Other
- Windows Version: Mac
Thanks Pete... Actually I seem to have a software glitch already and can't find firmware for the 6332M online as yet. Do you have any ideas about where to track this down?Pete Cyr wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 Welcome Russell - be sure to back up your vendor settings - they are easily lost and difficult to recover.
You are not mad. You have a goal and seems you are on the right path to meet your goal.
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Russell Collins
- Posts: 14
- Joined: Wed May 19, 2021
- Location: Byron Bay
- Country: Australia
- Laser Machine Make or Type: CO2 Yongli with Ruida RDC6332M controller
- Laser Power: 300w
- Laser Bed Size: 1500 x 3000mm
- Home Position: TL
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDLC-V6.70.06
- Ruida Controller: Other
- Windows Version: Mac
Ok well I'll be happy to share what I find out as I get it working. So far I have had partially successful cuts in up to 3mm mild steel... partially in that sometimes the cut is good, and sometimes the cut is blown out. I'm waiting for the gas supplier to arrive with laser purity O2 and have read that the quality of the steel is quite important. I can see that the 300w is capable of doing the job, but my experience so far is that getting the settings exactly right is super critical. I had achieved quite decent cuts in 2mm mild and 1mm SS before the machine glitched out on me. Now trying to work out how to do a software update.Gene Uselman wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 I am very interested in metal cutting with a CO2 laser and would love to see a conversation on the forum about them- we occasionally gain a member with this equipment but seems that as soon as they get them operational they move on with their lives. We have a lot of CO2 knowledge and may be of some help. Gene
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Pete Cyr
- Posts: 1964
- Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2016
- Location: Suffolk Virginia
- Country: United States
- Laser Machine Make or Type: Boss 1630
- Laser Power: 100w
- Laser Bed Size: 16"x30"
- Home Position: TR
- Control Software: RDWORKS
- RDWorks Version: v8.01.18
- Ruida Controller: RDC6442
- Windows Version: Win 10
- Accessories: roller rotary attachment
No - I will look around this evening.Russell Collins wrote: Tue May 25, 2021Thanks Pete... Actually I seem to have a software glitch already and can't find firmware for the 6332M online as yet. Do you have any ideas about where to track this down?Pete Cyr wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 Welcome Russell - be sure to back up your vendor settings - they are easily lost and difficult to recover.
You are not mad. You have a goal and seems you are on the right path to meet your goal.
Location - VA
Equipment - Boss Laser 1630
Power - 100W
Laser Bed Size - 16" x 30"
Home Position - TR
Full RDWorks Version - v8.01.18
First name - Pete
Equipment - Boss Laser 1630
Power - 100W
Laser Bed Size - 16" x 30"
Home Position - TR
Full RDWorks Version - v8.01.18
First name - Pete
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Russell Collins
- Posts: 14
- Joined: Wed May 19, 2021
- Location: Byron Bay
- Country: Australia
- Laser Machine Make or Type: CO2 Yongli with Ruida RDC6332M controller
- Laser Power: 300w
- Laser Bed Size: 1500 x 3000mm
- Home Position: TL
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDLC-V6.70.06
- Ruida Controller: Other
- Windows Version: Mac
I'm starting to get some acceptable cuts with steel and one of the things that surprised me is that I've had to dial down the O2 quite a bit as compared to the many suggested rates of pressure. Seems the excess O2 was just blowing out big sloppy burns through the metal when it actually needs only just enough to get through and surplus is detrimental. When I've got something to show I'll do more of a comprehensive post about this.Gene Uselman wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 I am very interested in metal cutting with a CO2 laser and would love to see a conversation on the forum about them- we occasionally gain a member with this equipment but seems that as soon as they get them operational they move on with their lives. We have a lot of CO2 knowledge and may be of some help. Gene
- Gene Uselman
- Posts: 2181
- Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016
- Location: Suburban Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
- Country: USA
- Nickname: Gene
- Laser Machine Make or Type: QC
- Laser Power: 130W
- Laser Bed Size: 900x1300
- Home Position: TR
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDw .19 & Lightburn
- LightBurn Version: Latest
- Ruida Controller: RDC6442
- Windows Version: Win 10 Pro
- Accessories: I have a combining lenses, pin tables [homebuilt], honeycomb tables , wireless remote, Modifed Ultimate Air Assist, home built non-powered rotary device, PrusaMK4 and Mini Prusa printers.
Thank you Sir. Please keep your thoughts coming, too much O2 would seem counterintuitive. Gene
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Ray Wylie Hubbard- unfortunately deceased
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The days that I keep my gratitude higher than
my expectations, Well, I have really good days.
Ray Wylie Hubbard- unfortunately deceased
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Russell Collins
- Posts: 14
- Joined: Wed May 19, 2021
- Location: Byron Bay
- Country: Australia
- Laser Machine Make or Type: CO2 Yongli with Ruida RDC6332M controller
- Laser Power: 300w
- Laser Bed Size: 1500 x 3000mm
- Home Position: TL
- Control Software: LIGHTBURN
- RDWorks Version: RDLC-V6.70.06
- Ruida Controller: Other
- Windows Version: Mac
OK so its been a while since the last update. Finally after several months I seem to have nutted out clean cuts in 3mm mild steel.
I was getting so despondent that I even made a call to the dealer for Kern lasers and got a quote (about the same price as mine, except with an extra 0... ie, 10x the price). Hmm... back to fiddling about.
This is what I did: 2.5" lens swapped out for a 4" lens, curve up as suggested on most forums. This seemed slightly better, but I was still not really getting results to be super happy about.
Laser O2 (high purity low moisture) set to 20psi (lower than some others suggest, but this seems to work best).
Then just last week, still not happy with the overly sloppy inconsistent and burnt out cuts, I decided to swap the lens around and tried it curve (convex face) down.
WOW!!!! Suddenly I have a machine that is doing those kinds of cuts I was dreaming about after seeing YouTubes of high end fibre lasers! Well, perhaps not quite that good... but as compared to what I had been getting, this is a revelation.
Final Settings: 4" lens, flat side up, focus at 2mm, O2 at 20psi, cut speed at 10mm/sec, power at 80% max / 70% min and 3mm MS is cutting like butter with a 300w CO2 from China (at 10% of the cost of a Kern 400w).
I was getting so despondent that I even made a call to the dealer for Kern lasers and got a quote (about the same price as mine, except with an extra 0... ie, 10x the price). Hmm... back to fiddling about.
This is what I did: 2.5" lens swapped out for a 4" lens, curve up as suggested on most forums. This seemed slightly better, but I was still not really getting results to be super happy about.
Laser O2 (high purity low moisture) set to 20psi (lower than some others suggest, but this seems to work best).
Then just last week, still not happy with the overly sloppy inconsistent and burnt out cuts, I decided to swap the lens around and tried it curve (convex face) down.
WOW!!!! Suddenly I have a machine that is doing those kinds of cuts I was dreaming about after seeing YouTubes of high end fibre lasers! Well, perhaps not quite that good... but as compared to what I had been getting, this is a revelation.
Final Settings: 4" lens, flat side up, focus at 2mm, O2 at 20psi, cut speed at 10mm/sec, power at 80% max / 70% min and 3mm MS is cutting like butter with a 300w CO2 from China (at 10% of the cost of a Kern 400w).
