3-roller Rotary : usage/calibration and issues

Different rotaries and problem settings
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Colin Frater
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed May 22, 2019
Location: Louisville, CO
Country: United States
Laser Machine Make or Type: blue and white China "50W"
Laser Power: 40W
Laser Bed Size: 12"x20"
Home Position: TL
RDWorks Version: v8.01.11
Windows Version: XP
Accessories: 3-roller rotary axis
digital water temp gauge

Hey guys,
Does anybody else dial in their rotary using the "User" tab (4th tab over from Work, Output etc.) and playing with the circle pulse setting? You can click the "read" button (with your machine powered up) and then scroll to the bottom and turn "Enable Rotating" on and off here. You then press the "write" button to send settings to controller. I just set the "diameter" value to the calculated diameter that the program would turn 360deg when the stepper motor itself turns one full rev. This came out to be (roller diam 24.22 x (32t/20t) = 38.75) and then I fiddled with the "circle pulse" setting while cutting out 10mm x 10mm test squares from toilet paper rolls and tweaking.
HOWEVER, I did get a weird thing once where I was engraving a glass and the first 20% of the program ran with the glass surface advancing a little faster than normal (resulting in a stretched out engrave). The last 80% finished normally. It was very weird, as slip would not make the surface move faster!
Actually, upon revisiting my math realized I did the pulley ratio backwards.
Now I'm not sure that it matters but I went and looked at the stepper driver and found that it is set to 2000 pulses/rev. I will try setting the "circle pulse" to that number and then adjust diameter to get a scaled image and see if anything improves. Then the settings will line up with what I was trying to calculate in the first place! Oops.

I watched the RDWorks learning labs on the rotary and will say that I prefer using an approach that doesn't require scaling of the job just before output, and this is for two reasons:
- convenience: why bother? what if you want to make an edit and have to scale back again? Image quality loss could result
- vector cutting/tracing: if you output a short line that actually physically moves as a longer line, then you dont get the same cutting speed at your part's surface. Duration of the move is the same while the distance moved in the real world is greater. X-axis cuts will be more vigorous than rotary axis move cuts.

The nice thing about this approach is that since the 3-roller rotary effectively drives the SURFACE of a workpiece rather than the center axis, this is a one-shot setting. All you need to do is toggle the "Enable rotating" on or off.

I've also used the User menu to solve the problem of having too little "Y-axis" travel when using the rotary. I think it manifests as "over slop" or something similar. If you move up the User menu a bit, you'll find a setting for "Y Auto home". I turn this off when using the rotary axis and back on when using the full gantry. This means that when you power up the machine, it only homes X and just leaves Y alone. No waiting around for the home routine to time-out and leave you with too little travel. Instead, my controller sets the Y position to something like 10000mm. Basically you have unlimited rotations, as you should!
Careful if you don't turn this back ON when going back to the gantry because the machine won't know where its ends of travel are and will crash into the brackets at the ends of the Y axis rails! Ask me how I know!

So, now I will try to calibrate my machine using 2000pulse/rev and something close to 15.14mm diameter and see how that works out. Hopefully more reliable! I also think it would be worthwhile to try to take some of the backlash out of the axis drive belts and see if I can get more consistent "texture" to my large area engraves.

Happy to post some photos if anyone is interested in my results and how I set up to do conical-shaped pint glasses 8-)
Colin Frater
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed May 22, 2019
Location: Louisville, CO
Country: United States
Laser Machine Make or Type: blue and white China "50W"
Laser Power: 40W
Laser Bed Size: 12"x20"
Home Position: TL
RDWorks Version: v8.01.11
Windows Version: XP
Accessories: 3-roller rotary axis
digital water temp gauge

I set the circle pulses to 2000 and diameter to about 14.8 and got very good results in terms of the rotary axis scaling. I think settings from 14.8 to 15 are in the right range for my rollers.

My questions :

- Has anybody had the rotary axis mess up in the middle of a program before? Like when mine ran too fast for just the first bit of a single-image engrave and then slowed down to the correct rate part way through for no apparent reason. Ran the exact same program again and it worked flawlessly. Not confidence-inspiring.

- Has anybody successfully done any backlash removal on one of these rotaries? I suspect the slop in the belt drive contributes to inconsistent engraving stepover.

Worth noting: I was cutting rectangles out of toilet paper rolls tubes and measuring them flattened to dial in the diameter setting but found that the lumpy cardboard (not very round) would give different lengths depending where on the tube it was cut. This is because the varuing effective diameter changes the surface speed seen at the laser head. Moral: don't cal with crappy materials! Get as round an object as possible for your setup!
Tip: entering a smaller diameter makes the rollers move faster giving you a longer line on rotary axis. Happy dialing!
Doug Anderson
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Dec 02, 2019
Location: Nevada Iowa
Country: United States
Laser Machine Make or Type: Chinese
Laser Power: 50W
Laser Bed Size: 16x20
Home Position: TL
RDWorks Version: v8.01.11
Windows Version: 10
Accessories: 3 roller rotary

I am having a similar but slightly different issue. I have followed section 3.3.7.1 of RDWorksLab manual dated 5 Mar 19 to the letter several times. My y-controller is set to 2000 pulses per revolution, gear ratio is 32/20 = 1.6, so I set the circle pulse parameter to 3200. The rollers are 24.6mm diameter. I bump the y-axis into the limit switches once, sometimes several times, but still get the same results. When I try to drive in y direction, the roller first goes one direct then reverse in mid move. Happens for a y+ move and a y- move.

Anybody got any ideas?

TIA
Doug Anderson
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Dec 02, 2019
Location: Nevada Iowa
Country: United States
Laser Machine Make or Type: Chinese
Laser Power: 50W
Laser Bed Size: 16x20
Home Position: TL
RDWorks Version: v8.01.11
Windows Version: 10
Accessories: 3 roller rotary

After measuring the resistance of the A and B coils of the motor, it looks like I have a bad cable or motor straight out of the factory. I only see low resistance across the B coil, not the A coil.
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